Americans are exhausted, especially when it comes to COVID-19 and former President Donald Trump. According to the results of a recent survey by Axios, they no longer want to hear about either of these topics. On this episode of the FiveThirtyEight Politics podcast, the crew debates what these findings actually mean and how a sense of exhaustion could shape the nation’s politics. They also discuss what the political environment is likely to be like this year based on historical and current indicators.

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